• From: "Rushforth, Peter" <Peter.Rushforth@N...>
• To: Len Bullard <Len.Bullard@s...>, "liam@w..." <liam@w...>
• Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:31:15 +0000

> 
> HATEOAS/REST is resilience over efficiency, aka, long term 
> over short term design to achieve stability or, why scale 
> matters.  

That is true.

> Let the client look at the document and decide 
> instead of the server dishing a header.

The client sometimes needs help from its user and from the server, apart and aside from
headers, to determine what the next state should be.  Hence the hypermedia affordances.

> 
> On the other hand, sometimes it is worth throwing all the 
> pieces in the air and breaking it to achieve innovation 
> through original perspective.

Don't do that!  It's just a flip of a bit that needs doing here.  If we can
we agree on that, we can proceed to discuss next steps.  But I think
step one is to review how to achieve RESTful XML at Web scale.


> That's what I do if I get stuck in a musical composition that 
> starts to bore me or goes to gray goo.  That is the joy of 
> anonymity and
> independence:  being one's own client means never having to 
> serve up "I'm sorry: 404".

Beautiful!  But here I am showing how stupid I am in public.  Hopefully,
Roy's right, and I've not misunderstood him.  
I think both are true, but hey, I've been wrong before!! :-)

Peter

> 
> len
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rushforth, Peter [mailto:Peter.Rushforth@N...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: liam@w...; Len Bullard
> Cc: David Carlisle; xml-dev@l...
> Subject: RE:  "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore 
> the basic principles of MicroXML"
> 
> 
> >  That is HATEOAS.
> 
> Sorry, that is code-on-demand, and either js or XSLT can implement
> HATEOAS now,
> especially the XML stuff with XSLT, because it is easy.
> 
> Peter
> 

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