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HTML has had links implemented for more than a couple of decades, we should respect that experience. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Len Bullard [mailto:Len.Bullard@s...] > Sent: July 3, 2012 12:11 > To: Rushforth, Peter > Cc: David Carlisle; xml-dev@l... > Subject: RE: "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore > the basic principles of MicroXML" > > If you can find a copy of deRose and Durand's book on Hytime, > that's a good start. > > Be ready to answer questions that seem quite easy on the > surface and then turn out to be nasty when specified. What > is the difference between a simple link, a multi-link, and a > simple link to an entity containing a lot of simple links > (eg, a catalog)? Will what you propose scale (there is a > reason XML separated DTDs from the instance and SGML didn't). > > My advice is don't propose anything you can't or haven't > implemented first. HyTime went into the weeds because > thoroughness in specification kept opening more and more > rabbit holes that very few of us knew how to traverse. > Groves are elegant but obtuse. The DOM works but so do > transforms. XSL-FOs could be implemented but CSS is a > helluva lot easier to teach and build. > > alice > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lee [mailto:dlee@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:44 AM > To: Rushforth, Peter; liam@w...; John Cowan > Cc: David Carlisle; xml-dev@l... > Subject: RE: "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore > the basic principles of MicroXML" > > I still find this a tantalizing discussion. > My question is this: > Suppose we identify a really useful set of attributes for > "doing X" and want to include it in the xml namespace. ( > note: for MicroXML thats the ONLY namespace ???) ... > And suppose we really believe this is useful stuff. > > Question: How sure are we that we have it right ? Once > things get baked > in they are pretty baked. I believe a lot of XMLish things failed > because the were not quite baked before being pulled out of the oven. > Even today I am not quite convinced of the validity of a URL vs a URI. > That is, what *is* the guarantee that a URL actually can be > indirected to a resource, and that resource is what we think it is ? > Of course that hasn't stopped HTML href's ... they sometimes > work ok :) > > So if we propose adding something useful to a new standard > ... how sure are we its the right thing ? I can accept that > its "optional" but if it's not well defined and not quite > right then that is worse than > nothing not better. I am not convinced, even looking over the > shoulders of giants, that the link problem has been solved properly. > > > > ---------------------------------------- > David A. Lee > dlee@c... > http://www.xmlsh.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rushforth, Peter [mailto:Peter.Rushforth@N...] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:00 AM > > To: liam@w...; John Cowan > > Cc: David Carlisle; xml-dev@l... > > Subject: RE: "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore the > basic > > principles of MicroXML" > > > > From the abstract: > > > > "It is a goal to use the power of XML to create a structure that can > describe the > > simple unidirectional hyperlinks of today's HTML as well as more > sophisticated > > multi-ended, typed, self-describing links." > > > > This seems to have two contradictory goals, really. Simplicity, yet > complexity. > > > > I don't know, but what might The Rule of Least Power [1] > say about the > issue? > > I would think it would be something like enabling XML with the most > power by > > limiting the complexity of the approach, rather than using the full > power of > > XML to "solve" the problem. > > > > Peter > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Liam R E Quin [mailto:liam@w...] > > > Sent: July 3, 2012 02:04 > > > To: John Cowan > > > Cc: David Carlisle; xml-dev@l... > > > Subject: Re: "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore the > > > basic principles of MicroXML" > > > > > > On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 01:18 -0400, John Cowan wrote: > > > > Liam R E Quin scripsit: > > > > > > > > > The right thing would have been to have taken the > architectural > > > > > forms idea from HyTime and XMLified it, solving the > additional > > > > > problem of "link discovery". That's with 20-20 hindsight. > > > > > > > > The original version of XLink *was* AF-based. See > > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-xml-link-970731 . > > > > > > Yes, kinda (not using PIs) but in a very SGML/DTD way, not > > > surprisingly given when the work was being done (I was > actually on > > > the WG for a while). Thanks for the reminder, I had > indeed forgotten > > > that stage. > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, > > > http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: > > > http://fromoldbooks.org/ > > > Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > _________ > > > > > > XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted > by OASIS to > > > support XML implementation and development. 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