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XML on the wire? You mean like RSS or EBay & Amazon's web services which account for a significant amount of their traffic? It seems all you are claiming is that XML isn't replacing EDI and existing distributed application deployments as was hyped by the XML and web services hypesters from yesteryear. Whether that translates to XML on the wire isn't growing that fast is another kettle of fish. -- PITHY WORDS OF WISDOM The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at. -----Original Message----- From: David Lyon [mailto:david.lyon@c...] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:18 PM To: xml-dev@l... Subject: Re: on-the-wire xml ... Even if you're ... Michael, On Friday 28 January 2005 04:03 am, Michael Kay wrote: > anyone who thinks they can assess the level of use in a given country > is making wild guesses and is almost certainly wrong. Ok, but making sweeping generalisations like I do and then arguing them over beer is often more fun than being right :-) Actually, I have to revise my original generalisation or at least clarify it somewhat. XML use is slowly increasing, yes. So anybody selling xml products would see more interest in them, of course. My revised generalisation is that transmitted xml on-the-wire is not growing that fast, or as fast as one would expect. One customer just this week, needs to get xml working between the web site and quick-books. It's not coming from the customer.. just an in-house transfer... Where there are xml transmitting applications, most seem to replace apps that previously existed which did exactly the same thing. ie tax apps. Online tax applications have existed for years, now they transmit in xml. Is that a new application? or just a rewrite of an old one. Let's move onto xml in accounting. Quickbooks can support xml. Xml can be used to "load" and "read" data in and out of the products. But widespread on-the-wire use of xml from one accounting system to the other isn't popular as far as I know. Therefore the product "has" xml, but I would argue doesn't "use" it in an on-the-wire sense. And in thousands of small businesses, very few that I have seen (ok - limited vision) have on-the-wire xml. If xml doesn't need to be like this then fine. I'll admit being sold the wrong idea. I still subscribe to the vision of getting all the Small businesses out there, who have this outragiously powerful hardware and communications bandwidth to be able to really stress the xml parsers to the max... and I just don't believe this is happening yet.... Ok, I waste my time doing doing multi-connection xml protocols. Developing multi-processing xml search engines and stuff - why? I don't think xml is developed to the max quite yet. I still think there is much further to go with the stuff. When I say not used, I probably mean not used to the max.... and I think it will take some time for me to be convinced otherwise no matter how "wrong" I may seem on the face of it. David Computergrid : The ones with the most connections win. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php>
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