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That's good to see. Still, as I said, I think that the outcome there was inevitable. What lessons there are and what strategies work best given some end goal, and what inferences might be drawn, these are as they always are, debatable. I've come to understand that the CS market on the web is one where participation comes with greater risks and not always greater rewards. One should not ask 'cui bono?' but have that answer at hand on startup. As to what has been said about Dave's comments, behaviors, etc. and in Tim's article comparing those to Goldfarb pre-XML, I can only say we learn, hopefully, to control our impulses, to defer to a later gratification today's victory. That is how we became the last hominids standing. If there are lessons there for XUL or for choosing the organization to host echo, I don't think they tend toward grassroots movements except where those who initiate them understand the likelihood of losing the helm and plan for it. If you have a good market for your product by then, it may not matter. len From: Danny Ayers [mailto:danny666@v...] Depending on the conclusions you draw from the above, Dave has either demonstrated his openness to progress or bowed to the inevitable : "Tentative endorsement of Echo" http://backend.userland.com/2003/06/26#a313
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