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>perhaps you want to count your preceding siblings and your precedingcousings (ie, the children of your parent's preceding-siblings)count(preceding::*) + count(../preceding::*/*) Yes that was it. In the hope to prevent mistakes when you try the above after your coffe, David probably meant: count(preceding-sibling::*) + count(../preceding-sibling::*/*) :-) Cheers and good morning, Geert
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