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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Steve Newcomb <srn@c...> wrote: Loic says "a lot of data is maps" (in the sense of JSON objects, Python <aol>Extremely well put.</aol> Because of my perspective, I think: Amen a hundred times over. Ever since my engineering training days I always leaned towards the pragmatics/socio-economics pole of the profession rather than the specification-as-dogma pole. If it were possible I've become even more convinced of this from my recent work in library information systems. Ambiguity is intrinsic of the natural world, and magnified a thousand times by human concerns. There is no way to compute it away.
* It's better to pay the cost of uttering names repetitiously in exactly I differ a bit on this last point, however. I think to use your premise XML is definitely the best choice for B [1] but I think that advocating XML as the best choice for A is futile and damaging. Because A as you say not only loves its insights-du-jour but also loves to colonize them, it ends up saddling XML with A-flavored concepts such as strong data typing and lexically scoped namespaces with a terrible abbreviation scheme. Simon St. Laurent convinced me very early in the game, and I remain convinced, that it's better to advocate the likes of ASN.1, JSON, protocolbuf, etc. for A in order to preserve XML's usefulness for the small group who do care about natural ambiguities and their expansion in the humane context. That would mean a much smaller "market" for XML, but I think that's exactly what's needed.
[1] Actually I think MicroXML is the best choice for B as it tries to retain all the humane bits while slicing off the A-taint, but I suspect you'd probably disagree because it also strips away the last vestiges of DTDs.
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