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On 8/29/13 10:48 AM, Peter Hunsberger wrote: > Well I believe those two time periods overlapped? Either way it seems > the existence of a renaissance Goth should be possible. However, trying > to reconcile that with the modern co-opting of the term Goth makes my > head hurt, so I won't insist on you adopting the moniker... The word has too many meanings. There's a roughly continuous thread of attractive with/because of a dose of the repulsive, but it's hard to pin down. A good place to start is: <http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199586790.do> My usage fits in his Chapter 10, "The Gothic Dream", but I get a strong sense that Nick Groom (the author) has the least sympathy for that use. In Ruskin's use, there's a sharp contrast with the Renaissance and its idealization of classical models. From a different (Japanese) cultural background, but with intriguing parallels, take a look at Wabi-Sabi for Artists, Designers, Poets, & Philosophers: <http://www.leonardkoren.com/lkwa.html> <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42190.Wabi_Sabi> Yes, the author of that also ran _WET: The Magazine of Gourmet Bathing_, but there's still a lot there worth contemplating. Sorry to mix "gourmet bathing" with "Markup, an abstraction". Thanks, -- Simon St.Laurent http://simonstl.com/
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