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But you accept that making things mandatory in the schema will have the side-effect of making it permanent too (if you have a forwards-compatibility versioning strategy and commitment)? And this leads to the strong motivation to change semantics instead, which is a dangerous kind of change. So by avoiding application validation in addition to the schema (does anyone actually ever not validate in the application after the schema validation - don't most turn schema validation off after test phase and use application level validation instead??) you have created an even greater need for even more complex (perhaps impossible) validation in the application - validation of the semantics :-) On 27/12/2007, Greg Hunt <greg@f...> wrote: > And if we engage in "avoidance of making things mandatory" for any reason > other than enforcing real business data constraints we reduce the value of > schema-driven validation. Doing that requires the applications to do their > own structural validation to enforce the business requirements for > mandatory-ness which in turn makes implementing changes or assessing the > impact of a change even harder. > > Greg
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