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> <shrug/> Intelligent folks building real systems tell me that
> validation isn't actually something you do in production code

Those folks are asking for a world of pain once/if they move their 
application out of a tightly controlled environment.  Trust, but verify. 
  How many Web problems were caused by not validating HTML form data?

Anyhow, send those folks you mention over our way. :)

	/r$

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Rich Salz, Chief Security Architect
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