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I had the same nasty "thrown together over night" feelling about the XUL and some other Mozzila stuff - some great ideas but not enough pollishing. However, I thing the general idea is very good. The current XForms evolution is interesting too. The current data model does not live up to my expectations, but I hope they evolve to match the requirements high standards. My favorite thing in the XForms requests: - separation between data and presentatation issues. My complains about the Data Model draft: (http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-datamodel/) - Not enough mention of internationalization, when issues that involve it - as multiple choice lists and data validation - are mentioned; - No mention of "user-metadata" when talking about validation. Data definitions and error handling imply telling the user WHAT is wrong in a way he can understand. I found no clear mention of that. (Did I miss a hook to be handled somewhere else); - Too much dependency on the existence of a DOM; - Still a bit promiscous with presentation issues. DOMs and their access by scripting languages are complex. I think that XSLT could be used as a validation mechanism on top of the schemas, and it could be quite powerful. (XForms are to post data in XML format.) XSLT is a quite powerfull tool, but many programmers don' seem to recognize it (also in Mozzila). It is a different way of thinking, but worth giving a try for many data processing/formating tasks. Much nicer and cleanner than coding a bunch of iterations. Even without this being a standard, I would have some kind of XForms NOW! Even for our internal tools, that could help a lot. Have fun, Paulo -----Original Message----- From: owner-xml-dev@x... [mailto:owner-xml-dev@x...]On Behalf Of Don Park Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:00 AM To: xml-dev@l... Subject: RE: XUL and Java? Interestingly enuf, I wrote a XUL engine in Java when XUL docs first came out (> 1 year ago?). It worked well but I had to stop working on it after hacking the CSS parser for it. It requires a lot of work but I have confirmed that it is very effective for building GUI quickly. Very useful. XUL DTD is irritating though as if it was thrown together over night. Best, Don Park - mailto:donpark@d... Docuverse - http://www.docuverse.com *************************************************************************** This is xml-dev, the mailing list for XML developers. To unsubscribe, mailto:majordomo@x...&BODY=unsubscribe%20xml-dev List archives are available at http://xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** This is xml-dev, the mailing list for XML developers. To unsubscribe, mailto:majordomo@x...&BODY=unsubscribe%20xml-dev List archives are available at http://xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ ***************************************************************************
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